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2011-02-28 15:56:53 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Hi Andy
2011-02-28 15:56:56 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Hi Russ
2011-02-28 15:57:36 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Are we having fun yet?
2011-02-28 15:58:00 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: LOL!! yeah- from thihs morning ! ;)
2011-02-28 15:58:34 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: yup
2011-02-28 15:58:47 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I almost think we got somewhere earlier
2011-02-28 15:59:37 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I think weactually made some progress. At least in understanding each other if nothing else.
2011-02-28 16:00:22 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I think we are a little further along then we were much earlier. Glad Tom stepped up to the Definations page
2011-02-28 16:00:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Me too! That is something that is sorely needed- at least by me.
2011-02-28 16:01:52 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I keep asking him to define stuff and he doesn't. So, now we him to control and ask questions of
2011-02-28 16:02:56 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I'd *really* like to get the Ancestry Insider to join us- he's really got it together.
2011-02-28 16:03:17 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: You bet
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2011-02-28 16:03:45 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I do hope that Tom LINKS to his blog for those definations
2011-02-28 16:03:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Hiya gentlemen!
2011-02-28 16:03:51 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Evening
2011-02-28 16:04:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Interesting meeting this morning.
2011-02-28 16:04:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Good Evening madam. ;)_
2011-02-28 16:04:14 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: We were just talking about that
2011-02-28 16:05:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sorry, froze up for a bit.
2011-02-28 16:05:51 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: np
2011-02-28 16:05:58 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Russ. I'm not sure I want links to stuff when it comes to teh definitions- I want to see it all in front of me- not go skipping about reading a bit here and a bit there.
2011-02-28 16:06:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think that having those two gentlement "handle" one section of the project and work through the related wiki page will keep it simpler.
2011-02-28 16:06:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I like all the definitions on one page, but that is just me. I am not coding.
2011-02-28 16:06:39 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: My problem is that Tom puts his own spin on things
2011-02-28 16:06:55 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Don't we all? :)
2011-02-28 16:07:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, that is the problem with having any single person managing a page.
2011-02-28 16:07:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: But that doesn't mean the page cannot get modified.
2011-02-28 16:07:18 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yes, but the End User has to be able to understand his techie talk
2011-02-28 16:07:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: At least someone is taking responsibility for a section of the project.
2011-02-28 16:07:37 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: yes
2011-02-28 16:07:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: asnd attempting to organize
2011-02-28 16:07:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that section in one place.
2011-02-28 16:07:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Shall we begin?
2011-02-28 16:07:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:07:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:07:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
2011-02-28 16:08:06 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: passes around a plate of homemade cookies
2011-02-28 16:08:13 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: TNX
2011-02-28 16:08:16 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sugar-free of course!
2011-02-28 16:08:20 [Action] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2011-02-28 16:08:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok...
2011-02-28 16:08:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we are to discuss the creation of a MANAGEMENT OF THE WIKI page
2011-02-28 16:08:49 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yup
2011-02-28 16:08:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to set up RULES for how the wiki is to be used.
2011-02-28 16:08:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Quite a tall order
2011-02-28 16:08:56 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: my thought is
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2011-02-28 16:09:04 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: listens
2011-02-28 16:09:15 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: to have a Now to use this wiki just under "HOME"
2011-02-28 16:09:28 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Hi, GeneJ
2011-02-28 16:09:35 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2011-02-28 16:09:46 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <--- waves
2011-02-28 16:09:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok and what would that HOW say?
2011-02-28 16:10:05 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Who can do what, and Where
2011-02-28 16:10:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (I am taking notes)
2011-02-28 16:10:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and WHAT FORMAT it can be done
2011-02-28 16:10:18 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: How to use that Page and Discussion pages
2011-02-28 16:10:31 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yup
2011-02-28 16:10:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: OK, I had thought this was implied by the definition of a wiki....
2011-02-28 16:10:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- my first thought is that that side bar needs to be *REALLY* cleaned up- way too busy.
2011-02-28 16:10:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but we can do this
2011-02-28 16:11:12 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I think we were asked how WE are going to use the Wiki Technology for this project
2011-02-28 16:11:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we had asked Tom to suggest changes here last December, but didn't go forward with that per se.
2011-02-28 16:11:53 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Like who is responsible for what pages
2011-02-28 16:12:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: OK, I COULD take everything on the existing NAV and put it on an OLD NAV BAR page... so the ready links are not lost...
2011-02-28 16:12:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the narrow it down....
2011-02-28 16:12:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and include main pages
2011-02-28 16:12:32 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Then, on the Todo list list the Unassigned Items in the LH Panel / nav bar and assign when necessary
2011-02-28 16:12:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: like the Catalog
2011-02-28 16:12:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the definitions
2011-02-28 16:12:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so we would sorta bury the old wiki pages
2011-02-28 16:13:00 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Like, how are we going to use the chat Room
2011-02-28 16:13:01 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- Keep the stuff in BOLD- put the other stuff as sub-pages to that section.
2011-02-28 16:13:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: hmmm that is also a possibility.
2011-02-28 16:13:28 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: How we are using the meetsings
2011-02-28 16:13:44 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: How we are going to handle the calendaring
2011-02-28 16:13:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I could assume responsibility for the ONLINE MEETINGS PAGE... which isn't a page, but is a vategory of information.
2011-02-28 16:14:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I can see that.
2011-02-28 16:15:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and then when you GET to the BetterGEDCOM GOALS page it lists at the TOP, the moderator, and then has links to the two bulleted items that are currently on the left navbar?
2011-02-28 16:15:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: AND A LINK to the "How we use this wiki" managment page?
2011-02-28 16:15:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: does this make sense?
2011-02-28 16:15:46 [Disconnect] Andy_Hatchett
2011-02-28 16:15:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ooops, we lost Andy.
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2011-02-28 16:16:02 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: But, isn't the Management page at the top, under Home
2011-02-28 16:16:03 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Just a comment. It seems to me that until we understand the process/plan at the project level, it's likely we are going to have problems with the wiki. Right now we have a requirements proces that is going well, and I think the definitions pages will also go well -- but those are just two parts of what will be an overall project process.
2011-02-28 16:16:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: YES, but refering each sub-group to the rules right at the top, under the name of the moderator will reinforce the rules.
2011-02-28 16:16:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: sure thing, GeneJ.
2011-02-28 16:17:18 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Question: will the moderator issue stiffle creativity
2011-02-28 16:17:28 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: ??
2011-02-28 16:17:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The moderator's job is to keep the issue in one place....
2011-02-28 16:17:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: NOT to stiffle.
2011-02-28 16:18:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: otherwise the group will let him/her know.
2011-02-28 16:18:01 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Will the moderator be able to move stuff around?
2011-02-28 16:18:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: the moderator won't move stuff around, no one can do that.
2011-02-28 16:18:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but he can pull stuff from here and there, and quote it on the PAGE he is responsible for.
2011-02-28 16:18:37 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: As long as the information is on a PAGE (vs in discussion), anyone can move it.
2011-02-28 16:18:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and then encourage discussion there.
2011-02-28 16:19:03 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: But how does one "keep the issue in one place?"
2011-02-28 16:19:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: the challenge we're experiencing on the wiki is that discussions get going on one topic (as appropriate to the related page) but then we get off on tangents and discuss another topic.
2011-02-28 16:19:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: in that same page.
2011-02-28 16:19:30 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ - Copy from Discussion and put on Page?
2011-02-28 16:19:50 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Russ, I don't know HOW, except that without MODERATORS for each topic (right now we're focusing on 2)
2011-02-28 16:19:51 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt - totally agree
2011-02-28 16:19:51 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: They can copy from discussions, yet
2011-02-28 16:19:58 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we aren't making much progress.
2011-02-28 16:20:05 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods at GeneJ.
2011-02-28 16:20:39 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: We are fortunate to have two GREAT moderators right now.
2011-02-28 16:20:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Its obvious that we as organizers don't have developer management experience, and I am very thankful that the coders in our group are explaining what they need.
2011-02-28 16:21:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: the fortunate thing is that we tend to be less focused on one particular coders point of view.
2011-02-28 16:21:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I had hoped someone like Greg would join the organizing team.
2011-02-28 16:21:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: instead what has happened is that the entire group of coders HAVE stepped up to the plate
2011-02-28 16:21:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: to explain what is necessary.
2011-02-28 16:21:43 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: I'm guessing someone will after we get some traction.
2011-02-28 16:22:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Andy has really gone the extra mile to learn the GoToWebinar hosting fuctions.
2011-02-28 16:22:09 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: tyty And
2011-02-28 16:22:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and this really has taken a lot of pressure off of me.
2011-02-28 16:22:11 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: andy
2011-02-28 16:22:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think when the coders attend this meeting, GeneJ, they are doing what they can, yet their primary focus is their own project.
2011-02-28 16:22:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that two of them have agreed to moderate 2 categories of the project is awesome.
2011-02-28 16:23:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I was really happy after the meeting this morning for that very reason.
2011-02-28 16:23:18 [Action] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2011-02-28 16:23:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: It is the same for Russ and you and me.... as end users.
2011-02-28 16:23:22 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2011-02-28 16:23:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We put in what we can to the project, yet our primary work is as researchers
2011-02-28 16:23:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: or bloggers as the case may be.
2011-02-28 16:23:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: pretty great input from all if you ask me.
2011-02-28 16:23:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:23:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:23:52 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: WHat we need to do is convince the coders that they should make BG their project and have a joint effort. ;)
2011-02-28 16:23:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
2011-02-28 16:23:59 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nods
2011-02-28 16:24:05 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Humm...
2011-02-28 16:24:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: obviously a single coder can accomplish the task quickly....
2011-02-28 16:24:35 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: The one problem that I have with this, is that we will end up with one coders solution
2011-02-28 16:24:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but taking multiple points of view into account takes a lot more time.
2011-02-28 16:24:48 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: which may not be the best solution
2011-02-28 16:25:00 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Need to find some balance here
2011-02-28 16:25:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think we will still end up with a series of coders who work on different segments of the project
2011-02-28 16:25:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: when it comes to actual coding...
2011-02-28 16:25:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and they Yes, YES I can live with it, or NO
2011-02-28 16:25:48 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: in the way of voting... til we get that "consensus" we are hoping for.
2011-02-28 16:25:53 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: but the coding has to be done be application developers
2011-02-28 16:26:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: you mean the vendors?
2011-02-28 16:26:06 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: I agree, Russ.
2011-02-28 16:26:13 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: We are asking the coders to write the requirements
2011-02-28 16:26:24 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: It's the vendors who have to do most of the coding.
2011-02-28 16:26:38 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Vendor = application developers
2011-02-28 16:26:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Yes,m we cannot do anything about the vendors who don't adopt any sort of BetterGEDCOM if they don't want to.
2011-02-28 16:27:11 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: You are correct
2011-02-28 16:27:16 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- what are the top 20 genealogical packages?
2011-02-28 16:27:23 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: But, the requirements have to be clear
2011-02-28 16:27:30 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: that is what WE are trying to do
2011-02-28 16:27:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We've mentioned this problem before... and it is the END USERS who put their money on the table that will drive this.
2011-02-28 16:27:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Or else FamilySearch will drive this because they are so big.
2011-02-28 16:27:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:27:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:28:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We just need to be part of the conversation... a BIG part.
2011-02-28 16:28:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: top packages
2011-02-28 16:28:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ?
2011-02-28 16:28:14 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Absolutely
2011-02-28 16:28:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ancestral quest
2011-02-28 16:28:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: RootsMagivc
2011-02-28 16:28:26 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Legacy
2011-02-28 16:28:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Legacy Family Tree
2011-02-28 16:28:31 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Ancestry.com
2011-02-28 16:28:33 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: FS
2011-02-28 16:28:36 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I hate to say this but... most end users are *not* researchers and couldn't care less about gedcom or accurate info exchange.
2011-02-28 16:28:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The Master Genealogist (not doing any FS integration)
2011-02-28 16:29:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Family Tree Maker
2011-02-28 16:29:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: REunions for Mac
2011-02-28 16:29:12 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Andy - We must represent those name collectors
2011-02-28 16:29:14 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Family Historian
2011-02-28 16:29:19 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Heredis
2011-02-28 16:29:22 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: It's that maturity thing.
2011-02-28 16:29:24 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Family Tree Maker for MAC
2011-02-28 16:29:24 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: I think
2011-02-28 16:29:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Family Historian made in the US? Or in England?
2011-02-28 16:29:40 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: GenSmart ?
2011-02-28 16:29:50 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I'm taking worldwide- not us centric.
2011-02-28 16:29:55 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Other GEDCOM spinoffs
2011-02-28 16:30:00 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: GED2HTML
2011-02-28 16:30:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GenSmarts isn't database management, but it does deal with GEDCOM when dealing with importing a database for analysis.
2011-02-28 16:30:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and recommendations)
2011-02-28 16:30:23 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yes, but it uses GEDCOM information, right
2011-02-28 16:30:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Right, Andy.
2011-02-28 16:30:36 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, Andy.
2011-02-28 16:30:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Doesn't export, but does import.
2011-02-28 16:31:00 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Yes, but it has to be able to read a BetterGEDCOM file
2011-02-28 16:31:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: right.
2011-02-28 16:31:12 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: is GED2HTML still being worked on or has it become obsolete
2011-02-28 16:31:21 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: I have seen it around
2011-02-28 16:31:42 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: There are a couple of others, but have forgotten what they are
2011-02-28 16:31:56 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Did we decide what is going to be done about the nav bar?
2011-02-28 16:32:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Influencing developers isn't just within the pervue of Family Search.
2011-02-28 16:32:24 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I'm talking about genealogy packages- other stuff that deals with GEDCOM may or may not follow BG but it should have no impact on BG's development.
2011-02-28 16:32:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes, we decided.
2011-02-28 16:32:28 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Sorry GeneJ - back to the topic of the evening
2011-02-28 16:32:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: And I'll work on it tonight.
2011-02-28 16:32:36 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-02-28 16:32:59 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: np ..
2011-02-28 16:33:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and I've decided NOT to remove the calendar, as it still applies for the use of this chat room, and for folks to understand about our two meetings each week.
2011-02-28 16:33:15 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Question: Andy - What is BG Development to you>
2011-02-28 16:33:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am still unclear about writing the list of Rules for the Wiki.
2011-02-28 16:33:31 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: To me, its a Requirments document
2011-02-28 16:33:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I guess I don't feel comfortable working it up.
2011-02-28 16:34:04 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt - are there some generic Wiki "rules" that we can modify?
2011-02-28 16:34:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ would you feel comfortable working on the GENEALOGY & PRACTICE page here?
2011-02-28 16:34:20 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Geir (and Adrian before) has been doing a good job of keeping his "rules" for the requirements page on that page and pretty up to date.
2011-02-28 16:34:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I could handle the MEETINGS
2011-02-28 16:34:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: good idea Russ... let me see.
2011-02-28 16:34:47 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Russ- to me BG will be, in the long run, the set of rules that all genealogy programmers will live and die by. I want a FIRM ENFORCABLE standard that the developers MUST follow- in teh long run.
2011-02-28 16:34:51 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: What is "Genealogy & Practice page" ... I think I missed something
2011-02-28 16:35:07 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Short term I'll live with them just passively accepting it.
2011-02-28 16:35:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: there is a HELP option on the wikispaces, I could work through that for a few hours tonight to come up with something.
2011-02-28 16:35:10 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Rules = Requirements
2011-02-28 16:35:31 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Wait ..
2011-02-28 16:35:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll set up the new way of looking at the site, and then ask that question again, GeneJ.
2011-02-28 16:35:37 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: KK
2011-02-28 16:35:39 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Does the FS wiki have "rules"
2011-02-28 16:35:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: You are logical for actual research methodology though.
2011-02-28 16:35:53 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: but I hate to see anyone having to write a wiki help page
2011-02-28 16:35:59 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-02-28 16:36:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, I'll check that as well, not so much to copy, but so the thoughts are similar.
2011-02-28 16:36:12 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Not a help, as they already exist
2011-02-28 16:36:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: There are more options, and more layering of permissions over at wiki.familysearch.org
2011-02-28 16:36:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I understand, Russ.
2011-02-28 16:36:28 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: but, how we are going to use this wiki for this project
2011-02-28 16:36:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: at LEAST we can create the page for it.
2011-02-28 16:37:06 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Which goes back to that project overview concept
2011-02-28 16:37:11 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: doesn't it, Russ?
2011-02-28 16:37:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: How about you guys give me time to fix the side nav bar, moving the bulleted list for each category to a PAGE For that category.
2011-02-28 16:37:27 [Action] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: nods to GeneJ
2011-02-28 16:37:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: with a form at the top listing the MODERATOR for that page
2011-02-28 16:37:42 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt, I think you cud first move it to just ONE page.
2011-02-28 16:37:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and so forth?
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2011-02-28 16:38:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: well, that only moves it one layer away from the top... without dealing with the concept of moderating.
2011-02-28 16:38:08 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: So now let's do a progect anout what the Project Overview will be- ok? (HUGE GRIN!)
2011-02-28 16:38:09 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Would be easier to navigate if all the old stuff were on ONE page.
2011-02-28 16:38:15 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: OOO
2011-02-28 16:38:22 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura is here just in time.
2011-02-28 16:38:29 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Just in time?
2011-02-28 16:38:39 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Is perfect timing.
2011-02-28 16:38:43 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura .. thought you were asleep -- glad you joined us
2011-02-28 16:38:56 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, sounds like a beaurocracy to me.
2011-02-28 16:39:07 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- exactly ;)
2011-02-28 16:39:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I won't lose ANY of the old links.
2011-02-28 16:39:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I should spend more time doing the adjustments, rather than describing that I will.
2011-02-28 16:39:35 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Who's our top project person?
2011-02-28 16:39:44 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Adrian?
2011-02-28 16:39:53 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ, you are always asking for a "top" person....
2011-02-28 16:39:53 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura?
2011-02-28 16:39:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let's move away from that thought.
2011-02-28 16:40:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: no single person is directing this
2011-02-28 16:40:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: this is a consensus.
2011-02-28 16:40:26 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: I meant the person with the most project experience.
2011-02-28 16:40:36 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: technical project management experience?
2011-02-28 16:40:40 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- to me "top" means who is most experiemced in a certain filed or area- I see nothing wrong with the term.
2011-02-28 16:40:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that doesn't qualify a person for managing the project.
2011-02-28 16:40:49 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt - I agree with you but ... that is what Tom, etc is looking for
2011-02-28 16:40:55 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: Nooooo
2011-02-28 16:41:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: they are looking for moderators
2011-02-28 16:41:08 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: This would be a good time to pretend to have no project experience?
2011-02-28 16:41:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: if they are looking for project managers, I wasn't aware.
2011-02-28 16:41:18 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: I am just wondering who could draft out a project process that we cud present at the next developer meeting?
2011-02-28 16:41:20 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: hehehehe!
2011-02-28 16:41:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: could?
2011-02-28 16:41:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am not qualified to do this...
2011-02-28 16:41:34 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: LOL ... good luck Tamura.
2011-02-28 16:41:35 [Action] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: nods to Tamura
2011-02-28 16:41:36 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: too late
2011-02-28 16:41:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and we have asked the DEVELOPERS to do this back in December. Tom did a lot with his goals and requirements page.
2011-02-28 16:42:14 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We've been in this meeting about an hour.
2011-02-28 16:42:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We have decided to go forward with the requested changes to the site -- making a FEW PAGES, with moderator listed (or a black where one not yet appointed)
2011-02-28 16:42:52 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt - Do you want to put something up and we get together in a day or two?
2011-02-28 16:42:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and mpoving the existing bulleted items to those pages.
2011-02-28 16:43:04 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I will certainly spend a few hours on it tonight.
2011-02-28 16:43:09 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-02-28 16:43:13 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: thanks
2011-02-28 16:43:16 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but I won't be avalable until about Thursday.... tight schedule.
2011-02-28 16:43:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Then we're driving back east shortly, depending on the weather.
2011-02-28 16:43:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I know that by doing this I'll be taking a lot of flack.
2011-02-28 16:44:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that is one of the bad things about working on this wiki... is that whenever someone sticks their neck out, they get jumped on.
2011-02-28 16:44:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am going to put on my chain mail
2011-02-28 16:44:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and armour
2011-02-28 16:44:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: LOL.
2011-02-28 16:44:29 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <--- has turtle genes :)
2011-02-28 16:44:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:44:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:44:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Hard shell --- great alternative.
2011-02-28 16:44:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I had hoped to get away with dealing with just the calendar and the meetings.
2011-02-28 16:44:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:44:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:45:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but I'll make the changes tonight
2011-02-28 16:45:03 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: doesn't that go on ice cream (hard shell)
2011-02-28 16:45:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and let's LIVE WITH IT for a while and see if the combination of that
2011-02-28 16:45:26 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: nom nom
2011-02-28 16:45:28 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and the moderators will work.
2011-02-28 16:45:38 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: sounds like a plan
2011-02-28 16:45:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Russ, would you like some more cookies?
2011-02-28 16:45:44 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2011-02-28 16:45:54 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: passes the freshly backed cookies around.
2011-02-28 16:45:57 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: to go with the Ice Cream .... you bet
2011-02-28 16:45:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: baked
2011-02-28 16:46:04 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: ty ty
2011-02-28 16:46:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: (I have backing up on my mind!)
2011-02-28 16:46:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: LOL.
2011-02-28 16:46:23 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:46:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:46:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-28 16:46:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything else urgent?
2011-02-28 16:46:41 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: Another great step forward
2011-02-28 16:46:51 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Not here- need to get to teh 7 pm Ancestry Webinar.
2011-02-28 16:47:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Juliana's webinar?
2011-02-28 16:47:06 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: yes.
2011-02-28 16:47:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: OK.... ttyl everyone....
2011-02-28 16:47:13 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: ttyl
2011-02-28 16:47:15 [Message] hrworth -> Organizers Meeting: nite
2011-02-28 16:47:19 [Message] GeneJ Composer -> Organizers Meeting: ni ni
2011-02-28 16:47:21 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: later gang!'
2011-02-28 16:47:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Tamura, it has been zooey today, haven't gotten back to you yet.
2011-02-28 16:47:40 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Bye.
2011-02-28 16:47:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am going to eat dinner, then tackle BetterGEDCOM changes as requested.
2011-02-28 16:47:43 [Disconnect] GeneJ Composer
2011-02-28 16:47:45 [Disconnect] hrworth
2011-02-28 16:48:31 [Disconnect] TamuraJones